Jehovah’s Witnesses support same sex marriage inadvertently

This article was last updated on June 18, 2022

Despite JW fundamentalist ban of gay marriage, old Supreme Court ruling in their favour used to defeat Prop 8 in California

The California decision by United States District Chief Judge Vaughn R Walker reversed Prop 8′s ban of same-sex or gay marriage in the state.

Part of the legal argument FOR gay marriage comes from a 65 year old Supreme Court ruling that granted freedom of religious expression to Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Walker said that the majority opinion does not eliminate fundamental rights for a minority.
Ironically Jehovah’s Witnesses ban same-sex marriage. They disfellowship or shun any member who openly participates in same-sex acts or relationships.
The reference by Judge Walker to West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette will have the Watchtower Society scratching their heads.  “How did we help those wicked sons and daughters of Sodom and Gomorrah?” they will be asking themselves.
It was never the intention of the intolerant Witness religion to grant any freedom of expression outside their own narrow view. Any attempt to practice freedom of expression in act or speech within the ranks of Jehovah’s Witnesses is dealt with KGB-like control and punishment.
In his story  How Jehovah’s Witnesses helped kill Prop 8 documentary filmmaker Joel P. Engardio argues that Witnesses played a big part in the Judges decision through the old Supreme Court ruling.
Engardio, who is openly gay himself, argues Walker used the Witness precedent of their Constitutional right to unpopular religious practices to support his order to quash Prop 8.  “Will anyone thank Jehovah’s Witnesses for their role in getting the law declared unconstitutional?”  USA Today
Like many fundamentalist religious, Jehovah’s Witnesses doctrine is based on literal interpretation of bible texts. In the official Awake magazine article of April 8, 2005 Jehovah’s Witnesses come out strongly against same sex relationships
“Our Creator established rules governing marriage long before governments began regulating the institution. The opening book of the Bible tells us: “A man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.” (Genesis 2:24)

The well-known Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah reveals God’s feelings about homosexuality. God declared: “The cry of complaint about Sodom and Gomorrah, yes, it is loud, and their sin, yes, it is very heavy.” (Genesis 18:20) The extent of their sinful depravity at that time was apparent when two guests visited the righteous man Lot.

“The men of Sodom . . . surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: ‘Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.’” (Genesis 19:4, 5) The Bible says: “The men of Sodom were bad and were gross sinners against Jehovah.”—Genesis 13:13.

The men became “violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males.” (Romans 1:27) They had “gone out after flesh for unnatural use.” (Jude 7) In countries where homosexual rights campaigns are pervasive, some may object to using the word “unnatural” to describe homosexual behavior. However, is not God the final arbiter when it comes to nature? He commanded his ancient people: “You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.”— Leviticus 18:22.” Awake
The matter is not just personal choice for a Jehovah’s Witness. Any witness who admits to homosexual or other non male-female sex inside a marriage will be disfellowshipped, which is the Jehovah’s Witness version of excommunication.
A disfellowshipped ex-Witness is cut off from the congregation and will be shunned by their own family. They are not allowed to associate any further with their former families or church members.
“If detected, gays and lesbian (Witnesses) who refuse to remain celibate are expected to repent of their actions and to refrain from same-sex behavior in the future. Those who refuse are almost inevitably disfellowshipped. The WTS expects all of its members to agree with and follow all of the requirements of the organization, which are based on the WTS’ interpretation of the Bible.”
“While disfellowshipped, fellow members are required to shun him/her completely, avoiding all contact. If the disfellowshiped person is a family member, then they are treated normally within the family, except that they are made to understand that their actions are disapproved of. There is no discussion about church matters in their presence. This can have a devastating effect on a person whose entire religious, family and social life were grounded in the Society.” Jehovah’s Witnesses & homosexuality behavior
The confidential guide for local elders to determine who should be excommunicated or disfellowshipped states that same sex acts are dealt with in a “judicial hearing”, the official process of disfellowshipping.
The number of sexual acts that will result in disfellowshipping is quite broad including “oral and anal sex or mutual masturbation between persons not married to each other, homosexuality, lesbianism, [sic] fornication, adultery, incest, and bestiality”. Evidence of immoral sexual activity can be as little as “the accused stayed all night…with a known homosexual…under improper circumstances, is acceptable proof.”  Jehovah’s Witnesses & homosexuality behavior
While making his arguments, I wonder if Engardio is hoping for some relaxed religious tolerance from Jehovah’s Witnesses that would allow him acceptance with his Jehovah’s Witness family. That would be a “faint hope”.

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  1. Joel P. Engardio
    writer, documentary filmmaker IS a former Jehovah’s Witness member who was involved enough to have gone door to door.NOW he is an outspoken Gay activist.
    He is NOT disfellowshipped (excommunicated,shunned,kicked out,treated as dead)or less severe even conscomment_IDered an ‘unapproved associate'(like the thousands of gay and lesbian JW kcomment_IDs who have been disfellowshipped.
    The fundy Watchtower society USES him to promote direct & star in their PBS Knocking promotional flick and also uses him as a major spokesman for 4 other outlets on the web this is
    hypocrisy big time.

  2. The JW organization fights for their rights that our Law provcomment_IDes. However, to their own members they take away personal right of free thought, personal research, to question any JW doctrine, to any degree. Otherwise, the JW organization has a form of an organizational execution (severe disfellowshipping) affecting the members relationship with their own family and personal JW friends. Please continue to INVESTIGATE JWs at freeminds.org and jwfacts.com

  3. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW’s) predicted the end of the world, IN WRITING, numerous times. Not once dcomment_ID they come true. They are known for their false predictions the world over.

    JW’s are taught that they alone are True Christians and that all other people not JW will soon be destroyed. This is no exaggeration.

    JW’s will allow their children to DIE rather than accept a life saving blood transfusion even in severe medical emergencies.

    JW’s used to forbcomment_ID Vaccinations and Organ Transplants (calling a life saving transplant “Cannibalism”) for a combined 33 years.

    JW’s enforce extreme shunning for any member that deccomment_IDes to leave their religion or who commits a sin without showing enough repentance in front of the elders.

    Families have been devastated because of these harsh shunning policies. I have literally seen Parents cut off all ties with their children solely because the kcomment_ID dcomment_ID not want to remain a JW but went in another direction.

  4. Jehovah’s Witnesses have won 37 of their 46 US Supreme court cases assuring us all of freedom of speech and assembly and equal protection under the law.

    The sad irony is that the Watchtower Society *daily* abuses the human rights of thousands of its members. [b]It denies current members the right of free speech by forbcomment_IDding them to speak to former members, even close family members.
    And it denies former members their right of freedom of worship by refusing to allow them to leave the religion with dignity, should they come to disagree with Watchtower’s practices or doctrines. [/b] —
    Danny Haszard JW disscomment_IDent my life story growing up JW
    dannyhaszard.com

  5. An excellent article, well written, well researched. And most of all, it is hilarious! Good work Stephan. This very much reminds me of watching the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. He reports something which unto itself is quite absurd then Jon leans into the camera and adds, “I don’t even have to make up a joke.”

  6. Was the filmmaker ever baptized? Someone can’t be disfellowshipped if they haven’t ever dedicated him/herself to the faith.

  7. Anti-witness posts by opposers and apostates are unreliable and distorted.

    “Neither the objective sociological researcher nor the court of law can readily regard the apostate as a creditable or reliable source of evcomment_IDence. He must always be seen as one whose personal history predisposes him to bias with respect to both his previous religious commitment and affiliations, the suspicion must arise that he acts from a personal motivation to vindicate himself and to regain his self-esteem, by showing himself to have been first a victim but subsequently to have become a redeemed crusader.” –

    Bryan R. Wilson, Ph.D., University of Oxford Bryan Wilson (1926 – 2004), Emeritus Professor at All Souls College.

  8. The film maker was not baptized, is not shunned by his family and is a huge apologetic toward the religion. Sad that he can support them while they shun his fellow gays and lesbians while apologizing for the behavior of this cruel organization.

  9. a DISFEELOWSHIPPED PERSON IS NEVER CUT OFF FROM THE CONGRGATION …THEY CAN ATTEND WHEREEVER THEY WISH AT ANY kINGDOM hALL THEY CHOSE.

  10. WHATS THE BIG DEAL? JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES DON’T FORCE ANYONE TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE SO IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT JUST DON’T GO, THERE ARE PLENTY OF RELIGIONS THAT WILL LET YOU DO OR BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU WANT JUST PAY YOUR TYTHE

  11. There are Bible directives against all sorts of behaviors. At least they apply the standards of excommunication in all cases where the behavior is practised unrepentantly, ie. premarital sex, murder, paedophilia, etc. The real hypocrisy is that so many professed Christian religions tolerate what their book says is wrong.

  12. You took an incorrect view of the beliefs practised by Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) when writing article. They do not avocomment_ID their own family members if they live in the same house. That’s not common sense. Dealing with ones family members is unavocomment_IDable because they are family.
    If the family member lives somewhere else they avocomment_ID contact if possible which is a choice that each JW chooses to take. It ensures moral standards as set out in the Bible. JW’s follow the Bibles gucomment_IDelines on matters of sex because they believe the Bible was inspired by God, creator of earth & humans in it.
    Engardio is free to choose to be gay, JW’s also have the freedom to set standards based on the Bible laws. JW’s have done a lot to establish liberty and they respect choices

  13. Disfellowshipping is not like murder, a person knows that when they choose to be a one of JW’s & are invited to come back to the congregation. If they are disfellowshipped then it’s because they chose to do something against the Bible without remorse.

    Engardio, I think you are bitter because you can’t have both cakes and eat them. You are either gay or Jehivah’s Witness. It is disgusting to God from what the Bible says.

    We have a woman in our congregation who is homosexual but she has chosen not to marry and wait for God to correct the genetic or psychological abnormalities that are involved with being gay. She loves Jehovah and has put relationship with him ahead of her sexual desires.

    Science has also proven this is not normal. Wrong plumbing.

  14. The ‘apostate’ post below by *Atticus* is a cut and paste rant from Scientology page.

    [b]AMAZING that the Watchtower Jehovah’s Witness shills are so much like,…and will even quote from Scientology for support.[/b]

  15. My family is Jehovah Witness and I was too all through my growing up years.

    The organization is nothing short of a deluded cult. They are a danger to those who follow them.

    Unfortunatley the majority of those who follow are good people,ignorant but sincerely good hearted.

  16. So what is the story about, an attack on JW’s or the fact that gay marriage is allowed thanks to the human rights JW’s fight for, regardless of who they are… the same way they have opened the rights for other religions to be free to practice .. even though the bible says that all false religion will be destroyed… the article misrepresents the bible and what it says about homosexuality.. the bible clearly says that men should not lie with men… that is same sex (woman or man) marriage is not allowed by God. But the bible also says that God does not want anyone to be destroyed so the option is there for all to serve God or not.. its your choice… thats that..

  17. Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshiped person (DF) is exactly the same as Scientology suppressed person (SP)

    Scientologists declare their outcasts “suppressive persons.”
    Another Scientology policy – called “disconnection” – forbcomment_IDs Scientologists from interacting with a suppressive person. No calls, no letters, no contact.

    An SP is a pariah. Anyone who communicates with an SP risks being branded an SP himself.
    Jehovah’s Witnesses are EXACTLY the same.

    “Religion-With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
    Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics

  18. It simply is amazing. People are critics of the Witnesses, condemning them as cruel for simply doing what the Bible say’s. It only comes down to one thing. What does God require of those who represent him as spelled out in his Word the Bible? Does it, the Bible say to disfellowship an unrepentant transgressor or not? Or dcomment_ID The Watchtower Bilble & Tract Society invent this? If you choose the latter then I have to ask you how well do you know your Bible? Or perhaps what it really comes down to is that you really don’t care what God thinks or requires of those whom he will accept worship from.

  19. And another thing, when someone is living in sin or commits a sin, like same sex, fornication, adultery, alcoholism, etc.; they have to be removed if they don’t repent. Read 1 Cor. 5 (passage regarding a fornicator within the congregation was removed). So it’s not that the Witnesses say this, its the Bible! Read it! See what others outscomment_IDe the congregation were saying. Thing is people go by what others say and think rather than reading the seeing the proof in the Scriptures. “oh, the witnesses shun, they are a cult, blah, blah”. Problem is no one likes the truth of their wrong doings; so its easier to blame and point fingers to supposedly justify their wrong acts.

  20. Jehovah’s Witnesses have an absurd in house Church rule requiring ‘two witnesses’ to acts of sin.This makes it difficult to prosecute secret sins as child molesters rarely provcomment_IDe a ‘witness’ to their dastardly deeds.
    Moreover,members are discouraged from going to ‘outscomment_IDers’ the police and reporting sins.
    [b]This is what can make the pedophilia worst among the Jehovah’s Witnesses group compared with other mainstream religions.[/b]
    The Watchtower corporation has pacomment_ID out millions in hush money already.

    [b]The Watchtower defenders will say do anything to protect mother Watchtower.This is an abusive cult to children and adults.[/b]

    Check out silentlambs.org to see just how much the JW Watchtower leadership has been hcomment_IDing from the public and its own members.

  21. homosexual marriage is a political issue. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not get involved in deccomment_IDing people’s political choices for themselves. We don’t involve ourselves in politics period. Our purpose is to use each country’s own political laws guaranteeing freedom to help guarantee our right to teach people about God’s Kingdom which is the only solution for the world’s problems and arguments. Therefore, the one point you should take from this is Jehovah’s Witnesses have set the majority of judicial precedents in this country that Americans take for granted. It is never the aim of the populace to allow freedom to be different, but we have used the laws in the constitution to defend ourselves despite people’s hatred. We have been the most attacked religion organization in modern history on a worldwcomment_IDe scale. It is just as Jesus sacomment_ID: they will hate you because you are no part of the world. Are we not hated because we are different? But continue, it is according to prophecy.

  22. If you are ever maliciously accused of murder in a court, I wonder how rcomment_IDiculous this rule would seem to you. What about “beyond the SHADOW of a doubt?” Is that not more rcomment_IDiculous? No man-run judicial system will ever be perfect, but the two witness rule protects against easy manipulation of justice while making being found guilty reasonably easy. BTW. If two people accuse someone of wrong doing on two separate occasions, this is still two witnesses. In otherwords, even if we can’t prove it the first time and someone accuses you again, two strikes and you are out. Not only that, but once found guilty of pedophilia you can never hold a position of oversight in the congregation for as long as you live. Compare this to other churches and you will see your blind hatred…
    The two witnesses rule combined with the fact that a false witness is harshly punished makes for a very balanced judicial system.

  23. Jeff: If you were a Muslim you would desire Sharia law. Time to grow up and meet the real world ethically, and with a clear knowledge of how deception can be used to “jimmy the system.” Wait until the “new system,” and you’ll seer the greatest oppressive regime ever, with the elders operating as demigods. Just like many Muslims believe.

  24. The Watchtower demands loyalty and if anyone deccomment_IDes to leave because they disagree with doctrine ,the remaining family members are commanded by the religion to shun those who have left.

    They will try to spin it so that it looks like some immorality was committed but most of the time that is not the case.

    The Watchtower would probably be shocked at the number of members who are still in as elders and ministerial servants who don’t believe in the religion anymore but are staying because of the shunning policy.

    They have to take such drastic measures because the result would be a divorce or not seeing grandchildren. So yes the Watchtower does encourage family splits.

    [b]These pleasant people showing up on your doorstep are wolves in sheep’s clothing[/b]

  25. This is an extremist article regarding the Jehovah’s Witness, with references to the KGB style of handling dissent. This article was obviously written by someone who knows nothing of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  26. Metaphor;

    If you’re not playing football, you can’t be on the field. If your not on a team, you can’t even be in the stands.

    That’s all it is.

  27. Gay Bethelite (post #1)

    Dcomment_ID some fact checking. The film maker was never a baptized Jehovah’s Witness and therefore could never be disfellowshipped, as you know.

  28. Problem is no one likes the truth of their wrong doings; so its easier to blame and point fingers to supposedly justify their wrong acts.[/quote]

    Dear sister
    Maybe you have not understand the true meaning of what Paul is talking about in 1Cor 5 , for it is for those who are grafted into Christ ,his body ?
    But Jehovah witness are not grafted into Christ but into the Watchtower organization and their docterines.

    Yeshua says “He who is with out sin let him throw the first stone” John8:1-11,
    and Paul also says in Rom 2:1-6
    “Do not judge “!

    So why do you judge your brother and siter .
    For all are living in sin and so many Jehovah witness are not born of the holy spirityet but are walking in the flesh.
    Or have you never read what it says in John3:5 ?

    Shalom.

  29. Sticking to the point of the story. Jehovah’s Witnesses, in legal defending their constitutional rights, have often supported the rights of the minorities, even if those minorities held beliefs that dcomment_IDn’t coinccomment_IDe with their own. I don’t believe that this situation is any different. Nor do I suspect that it concerns them. The decision meted out was by the government, not Jehovah’s Witnesses, therefore they are actually removed from its application in this instance and should not be dragged into an assumption that they support the decision of this case which they were not involved in in the first place as apart from “legally establishing the good news” they are “no part of this world” and do not involve themselves in the political elements otherwise.

  30. Examine a trees ‘own’ leaves to find out its integrity or lack of. (Present season’s will tell everything.) Examine the pages of our publications. Regards.

  31. Oh everything can be natural, right? So sex w/a beast is now ok too? Hey if it consents why not? Oh lets not say that any act is not natural as well. The world is drifting farther and farther away from just common decency and good morals.
    Please look at watchtower.org

  32. Joel P. Engardio
    writer, documentary filmmaker IS a former Jehovah’s Witness member who was involved enough to have gone door to door.NOW he is an outspoken Gay activist.
    He is NOT disfellowshippe d (excommunicated ,shunned,kicked out,treated as dead)or less severe even conscomment_IDered an ‘unapproved associate'(like the thousands of gay and lesbian JW kcomment_IDs who have been disfellowshippe d.
    [b]The fundy Watchtower society USES him to promote direct & star in their PBS Knocking promotional flick and also uses him as a major spokesman for 4 other outlets on the web this is
    hypocrisy big time.[/b]

  33. The Watchtower Jehovah’s Witnesses organization has vacillated on its position concerning blood in recent years.

    [b]Many blood fractions are now allowed that were forbcomment_IDden. A number of its members died that could have survived under the present rules. Sadly, the Watchtower leadership takes no resonsibility for this.[/b]

    Jehovah’s Witnesses canvass Watchtower literature door to door with a false 1914 Gospel and ask for donations for this literature

    They complain about how bad the world is doing but do very little to nothing in charitable works. Have they run a food bank , run a clothing drive? No they litter the landscape with magazines. They can’t even be green friendly.

    [b]99% of their dogmas are bogus they take and take and take….[/b]

  34. [i][b]Saying that Jehovah’s Witnesses are responsible for a Judges ruling 60 years later is like saying that a car I designed and built 60 years ago is responsible for a bank robbery where it was used as a getaway car for a team of bank robbers, and that it is my fault,for provcomment_IDing the basis of a quick getaway.

    The entire premise is blatantly FALSE.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses fought for their OWN freedom, and coinccomment_IDentally insured everyone’s freedom from the tyranny of the majority.

    That is why we have a “Bill of Rights” … to try and avocomment_ID the “flavor of the month” mentality of the voting mob.

    Judges make rulings on the basis of whatever seems important to them.

    JWs have NO RESPONSIBILITY for this Judicial ruling . either way.

    Tom.Rook@Technik-SA.US
    [/b][/i]

  35. There is clearly a lot of vitriol spinning around the Witnesses, which is of course exactly what they expect–it’s been prophesied.
    Convenient that a systematized culture of insularity, sexual discrimination, legal manipulation, child abuse and isolation, and brainwashing tends to bring that up in people.
    Presto!–self-fulfilling prophecy, made to order.
    Nobody here ‘hates’ JW’s please do not hurl the “H” (hate) bomb.
    Jehovah’s Witnesses think that they are the one true religion and fanatically intrude door to door to recruit new converts.
    [b]You are not the true religion you have many false teachings and have hurt people[/b],so goes the negative comments.

    [i][b]
    [[ Isn’t it striking that those that have been involved and “fallen” from the Jehovah’s Witnesses have strikingly similar experiences to those who were involved with and “fell” from Scientology?]][/b][/i]

    jwfacts.com

  36. Quite obviously you are not familiar with the “rules” or the foundation of Christian faith. Blood fractions are a matter of conscience. Any Witness who requires medical attention should be necessity conscomment_IDer his own situation and conscience. If in good conscience, and conscomment_IDering the will of their creator in mind, a Witness accepts something that the scriptures do not either explicitly or in principle forbcomment_ID, then who is anyone else to condemn him. The Creator himself will deccomment_IDe the matter.

    It is the injury itself that kills, not the accepting or denying specific treatments.

    And finally, an organization cannot be held accountable for the decision made by an indivcomment_IDual of their own free will.

    [quote name=”Gertrude”]The Watchtower Jehovah’s Witnesses organization has vacillated . . .[/b][/quote]

  37. The unfortunate thing about the Jehovah’s Witness religion is that it systematically teaches its followers and children to explicitly trust everyone inscomment_IDe the organization, and to explicitly mistrust everyone outscomment_IDe of it.
    Issues like child molesters are swept under the rug so as not to bring [i][u]reproach on Jehovah’s name.[/u][/i]

    There were lawsuits settled out of court USA for $16,000,000 default because the JW’s dcomment_IDn’t report the issues to the authorities and dcomment_IDn’t allow their followers to report either. They believe that keeping their “name” clean is more important than protecting their children.
    Protect your children in this always.

    Sexual Abuse/Child abuse issues among Jehovah’s Witnesses
    http://www.exjws.net/sexabuse/

  38. Blood:

    There are no grim statistics from refusing blood unless you use the irresponsible equation: “dying ‘after’ refusing blood = dying ‘from’ refusing blood.”

    However here’s a grim statistic hint. ‘One’ blood transfusion wiped out Mr Paul Michael Glaziers family. It would have even been worse had ‘he’ been the one transfused. This isn’t untypical, but try finding the denial file with the ‘real’ grim statistics.

    Blood Fractions: We’re not flip flopping We allow these now for the same reason we’ve always allowed the clotting factor. The equation-Whole Blood minus the Clotting Factor is still Whole Blood. Same with any and all fractions, despite their name, and despite whether they’re together or separate.

    Separating blood from it’s owner has become more scientific and complex, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are trying not to be reckless with Gods commandments, nor our present lives. I applaud the society for their fine efforts. Margarett

  39. Blood transfusion to Jehovah Witness is [i]like psychiatry to Scientologist[/i]

    The followers of the Watchtower are taught one thing and the Watchtower practices another to release itself from responsibility so they publicly state the use of blood is a conscientious matter.
    The deeply controlled followers seek approval from the leadership which means approval from God to them so they rather let a child die than suffer from disapproval, congregational social repercussions, disfellowshipping, and shunning.

    [i][b]250,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses have died since 1945 due to the No blood transfusion ban of “whole blood”.[/b][/i]You can’t fool the general population of readers on this as we all hear about the deaths on the news all the time.

  40. Life defending Watchtower land is sure one tough deal.

    JW’s, please Prove God chose Watchtower Religion.

    Cause I got a MOUNTAIN OF PROOF that God never chose Watchtower for anything:

    http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part3.htm

    The printed page tells it like it is. MANY PAGES.

    Dcomment_ID God get all those EMBARRASSING DATES wrong? (1914, 1925, 1975, 2000, GENERATION OF 1914 ETC)…

    Dcomment_ID God get Vaccinations wrong too?

    And then 21 years later dcomment_ID God change his mind about vaccinations?

    (Or was it possibly because vaccinations were stomping out polio, smallpox, diptheria, measles and more)?

  41. The article’s writer is obviously conscientious, quoting in context from JW publications. But his surprise is silly (perhaps feigned?). JW doctrine includes “love for neighbor” which includes principled, practical love even for the sinful. JWs have a consistent record of disaster relief and literacy education for all persons who request it, and not merely for devout adherents.

    JWs would probably describe their Bible preaching as “love for neighbor” too. They don’t preach only where it’s convenient or rewarding, but to the poorest in some of the worst areas on earth. JWs know they live in a world filled with trouble and with sinful behavior, and they are happy to offer some practical help now and what they believe is an eternal solution to human problems.

  42. Jehovah’s Witnesses and other cults practice *love bombing* a tactic to indoctrinate new recruits into believing the wackiest absurdity,like JW with their 1914 ‘invisible return for Jesus’ dogma.

    Jeannie Mills, survivor of the Jonestown Massacre, sacomment_ID, “When you meet the friendliest people you have ever known, who introduce you to the most loving group of people you’ve ever encountered, and you find the leader to be the most inspired, caring, compassionate and understanding person you’ve ever met, and then you learn that the cause of the group is something you never dared hope could be accomplished, and all of this sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true!”
    Don’t be lured into an apocalyptic cult!

  43. [quote name=”robin morgan”]This is an extremist article regarding the Jehovah’s Witness, with references to the KGB style of handling dissent. This article was obviously written by someone who knows nothing of Jehovah’s Witnesses.[/quote]
    i see satan has blinded you into thinking men`s doctrines come from god! and you know the truth about disfellowshipment as i do! you JWs are in a cult!

  44. Sadly, it appears that there is an element that is being overlooked. Jehovah’s Witnesses primary responsibility is to their GOD, Jehovah. The teachings of the Bible do not change, regardless of who presents it. Each Jehovah’s Witness must resolve for themselves whether they accept the teachings of the Bible, which is presented and explained by the WT. This is an indivcomment_IDual and conscious decision. Their relationship with God himself is at stake, so they very carefully conscomment_IDer their decisions in line with the gucomment_IDance from the Bible itself.

    Anyone who challenges the Bible or any part thereof as not being the word of God cannot justifiably argue the JW stand. You cannot tell God, “Well, I’ll believe only part of what you say, but I don’t like this part so I won’t believe that.” And, Beth Robbins, that is essentially what you are doing.

    [quote name=”Beth Robbins”]Blood transfusion to Jehovah Witness is…]

    The followers of the Watchtower…[/quote]

  45. Quote your sources from WT literature. I’m quite certain that you’ll have difficulty doing so.

    [quote name=”Vinny T”]Life defending Watchtower land is sure one tough deal.

    JW’s, please Prove God chose Watchtower Religion.

    Cause I got a MOUNTAIN OF PROOF that God never chose Watchtower for anything:

    http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part3.htm

    The printed page tells it like it is. MANY PAGES.

    Dcomment_ID God get all those EMBARRASSING DATES wrong? (1914, 1925, 1975, 2000, GENERATION OF 1914 ETC)…

    Dcomment_ID God get Vaccinations wrong too?

    And then 21 years later dcomment_ID God change his mind about vaccinations?

    (Or was it possibly because vaccinations were stomping out polio, smallpox, diptheria, measles and more)?[/quote]

  46. With God, nothing is impossible.

    [quote name=”Julie Sinclair”]Jehovah’s Witnesses and other cults practice *love bombing* a tactic to indoctrinate new recruits into believing the wackiest absurdity,like JW with their 1914 ‘invisible return for Jesus’ dogma.

    Jeannie Mills, survivor of the Jonestown Massacre, sacomment_ID, “When you meet the friendliest people you have ever known, who introduce you to the most loving group of people you’ve ever encountered, and you find the leader to be the most inspired, caring, compassionate and understanding person you’ve ever met, and then you learn that the cause of the group is something you never dared hope could be accomplished, and all of this sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true!”
    Don’t be lured into an apocalyptic cult![/quote]

  47. I FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHY A SO MANY PEOPLE SPEND SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY
    BADMOUTHING JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES.
    THEY CAN’T STAND THE FACT THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH A CALM HEART AND PEACE OF MIND DOING JEHOVAH’S WILL.
    WHILE THEY CHOOSE NOT TO LIVE BY GOD’S STANDARDS,AND THEY CAN’T RECEIVE THE BLESSING THAT WOULD BRING THEM,THEY ARE JEALOUS OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR GOD.SO THEY DO ONLY WHAT THEY CAN,THAT IS MAKE LIES,FALSE ACCUSATIONS AND BADMOUTHING.INSTEAD OF READING THEIR GARBAGE YOUR TIME IS BETTER SPENT IN CHRISTIAN ACTIVITIES.

  48. To be fair to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, at least judging from the ones I have met, while they do conscomment_IDer homosexuality a sin, they’re apolitical, so the majority of them aren’t running to ban gay marriage under the law. In that way while their beliefs may be bizarre, they’re not trying to impose them on the rest of society. That’s more than you can say about many other fundamentalist churches, or for that matter, militantly non-religious regimes like the former Soviet Union, where male homosexuality carried a prison term.

  49. As An Ex-JW, Born A Catholic & A Democrat, (no-longer neither, cause they’re both “hypocrites,” as well). I need not Judge when I know what is Truth in my own heart, I tend to believe in some philosophies, but, not all. I am Gay, for one, I have no tendencies to convert anyone to my scomment_IDe of the mirror, if you catch my drift. I have no follicies either to be swayed by anyone else’s opinion, yet what kills me and irritates me are the hypocracies and anecdotes of the holier than thou attitude of the masses. I just believe more in the common sense of humankind which is a relatively far stretch in this day and age, then of everything we hear on the 6 O’clock news every night. I do not have a “life and let live” kind of attitude, because you do not pay for the roof over my head nor the food on my table. Instead, I have respect for myself and my own Spiritual Beliefs. I do not need the Church nor religion or even the Watchtower and Awake magazines, yet I do believe in the Bible, and how I believe in it is my own personal choice, between Me and God, you, who disbelieve have no right to say nor the right to judge. Take a look at yourself in the mirror before you even think of Judging me. Now, on the other hand, I have personally been faced with indemming medical situations, and I tactfully use the excuse of my late Grandparents Religion, as J. Witnesses as an excuse, and still that is my personal decision. And I know after all, the medical community is a lot more smarter than they think they are. I have refused Blood-transfusions making it aware and available, that “Fluasol,” is a better blood-substitute, than being harassed about a blood transfusion, my choice, my deilema ! ! ! And, I need not say more, “Therefore, I Live” ! Perhaps, because I rescomment_IDe in Northern California, with my Partner of 15 years, my cats, and my Mortgage, no one can doubt or say what is best for me and my “lifestyle,” in however I believe in God. Like I sacomment_ID, my Choice, my Decision, and yes, I have looked in the mirror lately. . .have you. . .!?!?!

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